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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS: THUNDERBIRD

Look here for answers to frequently asked questions about Thunderbird Brushless Controllers. If you can't find an answer to your question here, please e-mail us at support@castlecreations.com or give us a call at (913) 390-6939.

THUNDERBIRD BRUSHLESS CONTROLLERS

1. My Thunderbird controller only repeats an ascending tone when I plug in my battery pack. Why?

2. About every 30 seconds or so my Thunderbird makes a single audible tone. Why the heck is it doing that, and is that normal?

3. My Thunderbird keeps beeping 4 times when I’m only plugging in a 3 cell lipo pack (or 3 times when plugging in a 2 cell pack). What do I do about this?

4. Will my Thunderbird work with A123 batteries?

GENERAL ESC INFORMATION

1. I’m setting up a new airplane/helicopter/boat/car. How do I know which speed controller/motor to buy?

2. Can I control how much current passes through my speed controller by limiting full throttle travel on my transmitter with endpoint adjustments/trim? In other words can I use a 25 amp speed controller with a motor that will pull 45 amps but lower my top throttle endpoint on my transmitter so my watt meter only shows 25 amps at full throttle? Will this be OK?

THUNDERBIRD BRUSHLESS CONTROLLERS
1. My Thunderbird controller only repeats an ascending tone when I plug in my battery pack. Why?

There is a problem with the processor on your unit. Contact tech support at support@castlecreations.com or give us a call at (913) 390-6939.

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2. About every 30 seconds or so my Thunderbird makes a single audible tone. Why the heck is it doing that, and is that normal?

Yes, that’s totally normal. It’s just a friendly reminder from your Thunderbird that your battery pack is plugged in. Feel free to use it as an airplane location device if the situation permits.

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3. My Thunderbird keeps beeping 4 times when I’m only plugging in a 3 cell lipo pack (or 3 times when plugging in a 2 cell pack). What do I do about this?

First, if you have a Castle Link, try re-installing the software onto the controller. If it’s still doing it, contact tech support at support@castlecreations.com or give us a call at (913) 390-6939 for information on how to get the controller repaired.

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4. Will my Thunderbird work with A123 batteries?

Yes, it will. However, A123 batteries require a 2v/cell cutoff. For some battery configurations you will need to have the Castle Link USB Programmer in order to set the proper cutoff voltage. For example, a 4 cell A123 needs to be cut off at 8v. With the Castle Link select a custom cutoff voltage, and set it for 8v, then hit "update".


GENERAL ESC INFORMATION
1. I’m setting up a new airplane/helicopter/boat/car…how do I know which speed controller/motor to buy?

That’s what our expert technical support staff is for. Give them a call at (913) 390-6939 or send an email to support@castlecreations.com. They’ll be more than happy to assist you in deciding on a product.

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2. Can I control how much current passes through my speed controller by limiting full throttle travel on my transmitter with endpoint adjustments/trim? In other words can I use a 25 amp speed controller with a motor that will pull 45 amps but lower my top throttle endpoint on my transmitter so my watt meter only shows 25 amps at full throttle? Will this be OK?

NO!!! A speed controller controls power to the motor by turning full throttle current on and off really fast, 11 to 13 thousand times per second (Pulse Width Modulation or PWM). The percentage of each on/off pulse that is off compared to the part that is on determines how much power the motor sees. I.E. With a pulse that is 50% off and 50% on the motor will see 50% power*. Because each on pulse is 100% of full throttle current, a system set to pull 20 amps at full throttle through a Phoenix 10 will not last if you are throttled back to the point where you only see 10 amps on a wattmeter. The ESC in this case is still switching 20 amps, which it can’t do for long. Actually it is worse than the simple example above. Because an electric motor will always to try to pull as much power as is available to get to its rpm (volts times Kv), when you are running the motor below its Kv speed by switching power on an off, each on pulse will actually be way over the full throttle amp draw. That is why ESCs work harder at partial throttle than full throttle and why we underrate our ESCs. We underrate not so they can handle more current than their rating at full throttle, but so they can handle extended partial throttle operation with no problems.

* Actually, electric power is not linear as in this example, but you get the idea.

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